Feb 17, 2021
Storytelling, Body Language, and Public Speaking
James Taylor interviews Nick Morgan and they talked about, storytelling, body language, and public speaking.
In today's episode Nick Morgan talked about Storytelling, Body Language, and Public Speaking.
Dr Nick Morgan is one of America’s top communication speakers, theorists and coaches. A passionate teacher, he is committed to helping people find clarity in their thinking and ideas – and then delivering them with panache. He has been commissioned by Fortune 50 companies to write for many CEOs and presidents. He has coached people to give Congressional testimony, to appear in the media, and to deliver an unforgettable TED talk. And he has himself spoken, led conferences, and moderated panels at venues around the world. During the last American election cycle, he provided expert commentary on the presidential debates for CNN and Nick’s methods, which are well-known for challenging conventional thinking, have been published worldwide. His acclaimed book on public speaking, Give Your Speech, Change the World: How to Move Your Audience to Action., was published by Harvard in 2005. His latest book, Can You Hear Me?, on the perils of virtual communication, is due out from Harvard in October 2018.
What we cover:
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The art and craft of telling great stories
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Storytelling, Body Language, and Public Speaking
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How to ensure you don’t waste the opening of your speech
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The three versions of your speech you should prepare
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James Taylor
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Hey there, it's James Taylor. I'm delighted today to be joined by Dr. Nick Morgan. Dr. Nick Morgan is one of America's top communication speakers, theorists and coaches. A passionate Teacher He is committed to helping people to find clarity in their thinking and ideas, and then delivering them with panache. He has been commissioned by Fortune 50 companies to write for many CEOs and presidents. He has coached people to give congressional testimony to appear in the media and to deliver an unforgettable TED Talk. And he has himself spoken led conferences and moderated panels at venues around the world. During the last American election cycle, he provided expert commentary on the presidential debates for CNN and Nick methods, which are well known for challenging conventional thinking have been published worldwide. His acclaimed book on public speaking give your speech changed the world how to move your audience to action was published by Harvard in 2005. His latest book, can you hear me on the perils of virtual communication is due out from Harvard in October 2018. It's my great pleasure to have Dr. Nick Morgan, join us today. So welcome.
Dr. Nick Morgan
Thank you, James. It's great pleasure to be with you.
James Taylor
So share with everyone what's going on in your world just now.
Dr. Nick Morgan
Well, I'm just finishing up the book that you referenced the Can
you hear me book, which Harvard is now very anxious about, I'm
facing a tight deadline. And they're committed now to publishing it
on a certain schedule. So they're very anxious that I get it done.
And they call me regularly now and ask for after my health and my
ability to focus and whether I have enough coffee to drink and that
kind of thing. So that's the main thing on my mind that and, and
the business goes on taking care of clients,
James Taylor
I was just reading a book called Hemingway's boat, talking about
his Hemingway's writing career. And he had exactly the same thing
because Hemingway is building this lovely boat. And, and he would
write in order to pay for things on this boat that he was building.
And it just is a series of kind of exchanges between him and his
editors and his publishers like, when's this gonna be ready?
Where's this gonna be ready? So is this is this this next book we
are doing just now? Is it any easier than the last book or is it is
still difficult every time you have to write a book like this,
Dr. Nick Morgan
I'd love to write, I'm one of those few people that you're free to
hate, because I really do love to write. But that said, This book
has been harder than any of the others. You just, it turns out that
we don't know enough yet about the virtual world. We're just we're
just discovering all its perils, as well as its opportunities. And,
and new research comes in all the time, on an almost on a daily
basis. In fact, literally just this morning, I was working on a
chapter. And I got a Zirin. Online saying there's this new study
out about, about virtual communication and how it affects us
emotionally. And it's that kind of thing that it's just getting
very difficult. I have to keep revising it and changing it to keep
up with the time. So this has actually been the most difficult to
work to work on because of that fast changing environment. Now
you're
James Taylor
known for working and really helping many corporate CEOs,
presidents, politicians, and also some of the world's most high
profile professional speakers. I mean, I think of some of the
people that we've got on this, like, you know, there's something
like Josh Linkner and Sally hogshead. And many of these people are
your clients. How did you get into this, this world of working with
with people who have to use their voice to kind of make their
living or persuade,
Dr. Nick Morgan
I was teaching at the University of Virginia. I was teaching
Shakespeare in public speaking. And I expected to be an academic
for the rest of my life and, and just teach increasingly
indifferent undergraduates in the arts of Shakespeare and public
speaking, which they were very happy to live without. An only took
the course, with the greatest reluctance it seemed. And I got a
phone call from a friend of mine, who was the State Secretary of
Education for Virginia. And he said, Morgan, how would you like to
put that academic Bs, that academic stuff into practice, the
previous speechwriter has just had a nervous breakdown, and we need
a replacement on short notice. And I should have asked why did the
previous speech writer have a nervous breakdown but I was so
excited about the challenge. That I just said, Sure, let's do it.
And then I found out over the course of the next two years why he'd
had a nervous breakdown. It was certainly because of overwork. I
literally worked seven days a week, for two years, with one day off
Christmas Day, one of the years. And I wrote on average, five
speeches a day. So it was an incredible experience of just flat out
work, every waking hour, exhausting, but also very rewarding. And
that was where I really honed the craft of, of speech, writing, and
then coaching in the real world. And then I joined a couple of
consulting firms to do that for business people, and then started
my own business in 1997. Public words,
James Taylor
how I'm wondering how long it when you're working for that Governor
there, because you're working for him all the time. You get to know
his cadence, his voice, you know, what he would say, when you're
having to work with multiple consulting clients are all coming from
slightly different ways and different things? How do you get
yourself into the head of that person, because eventually, they're
going to be seeing the words that you're going to be creating. And
it may be in large part, because of you Well, I
Dr. Nick Morgan
say to people that what I really do is I listen harder to you, the
client, than anybody else in the world will ever listen to you,
including your spouse or significant other. And that's exactly what
I have to do in order to get that person's voice is I have to
listen very, very closely to try to hear that, to hear that
uniqueness. What makes them special, what makes them unique. And
then also, of course, what we're trying to do is up their game a
little bit, so I may take the liberty of trying to make their voice
a little better than then they might be just a normal
conversation.
James Taylor
I was recently I attended a an event and the speaker was former US
president, President Obama. And I was I was watching it was great,
great talk he gave, he used to use, I mean, fake classical oratory,
or rhetorical devices, and a lot of pausing much as I was sitting
actually almost kind of trying to work out how many words per
minute he was using was really quite slow and very, very
deliberate, very, very intentional. And it was some real kind of
zinger phrases kind of going on there, at Wow, made me able to,
like create those phrases. And and I watched a documentary The
other day. And it was actually his speechwriter was in this. And I
actually watched him creating some of those phrases that I'd heard
on that night, because he used them previously. And I kind of felt
a little bit led them because I felt kind of I thought that that
President had created the written note that stuff. And actually it
was some speechwriter that was sitting in the background. So how
does it feel? Maybe sitting at the side of the room, or the back of
the room, or sitting there watching the TV as your words are being
being set out? And what's that sensation, when you when you know,
something is really landed?
Dr. Nick Morgan
Yes, it's, it's the most exciting thing in the world, when it goes
well, you just feel enormous pride, and you're part of a team. So
you, you may have originally written the words or helped create
them, because usually, it's a give and take between you in the in
the in the client. But then when the when the speaker gets up, and
gives the words, then he or she owns them completely. So all you
can do is is bask in the reflected glow. But that's, that's just a
very satisfying thing. When it goes well. When it goes badly, and
they screw it up, which sometimes happens, then you want to you
want to pull the microphone, let's say pull the cord and shut them
up. I I've had that experience occasionally too, though,
thankfully, not recently to any of you clients who might be
listening.
James Taylor
So as you as you work when you're working with those clients, I'm
wondering, I'm guessing many of your clients are already probably
pretty good public speakers, whether they're a CEO, the app
developer, you know, the the maybe have a strong communication
style, they may be professional speakers or politicians who are
used to speaking all the time. What they bring you in, is it to
just to really kind of create that, to really just make it make it
absolutely 100% perfect, or is it something else that they're
really wanting you to come in and do that kind of deep listening
you described,
Dr. Nick Morgan
people often don't know the stories that they have, because they've
lived them. And they don't know the power of them. They've they've
experienced them. chronologically, of course, that's the way we
experience our lives. But the best stories are often told, not in
chronological fashion, but beginning at the last possible moment,
as I often tell people in the story. So you want to begin as
Aristotle said in medius race you want to begin right at the latest
possible point in the story at the most exciting point. And then if
you have to fill in back material then you can do that as you go
along. But most of us when we tell stories, we go back to the
beginning in our minds, and we tell it in chronological order. And
that's not usually the most interesting way to tell the story. But
it's very hard for somebody who's lived it that way to break out of
that mold and tell it differently. And so one of the things I'm
often doing is helping the client find out the best version of
their lives or the stories they've experienced. The points they
want to make, in a way that's, that becomes memorable.
James Taylor
Oh, that reminds me a little bit of how TV shows have changed. Now
we're like Breaking Bad to a TV show, they'll always have a scene
right at the start, which is taken from halfway through to the
thing. So whether it's a hero's journey type narrative that's kind
of going on, and it just hooks you in right at the start, you want
to go, what was that about. And it's, it can be a little bit
discombobulating at first, when it starts like that, but it's
intrigues you you want you want to you want to go on. And as you're
working with those, those speakers, so that you're helping them can
maybe understand and pull out those parts, those stories, how much
you pulling on some of those classic, you know, we hear like the
hero's journey, the Joseph Campbell type of thing, or that we hear
that he's only really seven classic plots to his storytelling as
well, how much you pulling on your academic and your classical
background?
Dr. Nick Morgan
Well, I was I was trained in rhetoric, and the ancient Greeks and
Romans. And so it's shocking how often those stories and rhetorical
devices are still the ones that that make for good rhetoric today,
we also bring in a lot of neuroscience. So that's, that's very
modern, to help with delivery, especially, we now have a better
understanding of what's effective in in delivery. But the basic old
stories still hold very, very true. And, indeed, they're the
powerful ones. One of the great mistakes people make nowadays. And
I think TV is partly to blame is in in television, there's this
huge fear that you're going to lose the audience. And so they're
constantly shocking us. And you mentioned beginning of show in the
middle of things, that's a good idea. But often, there's an element
of shock there that the hero that we've gotten to know over the
period of several episodes is suddenly dead. And then it'll say 18
hours earlier, and it will go back to explain what happened to
them. And then it'll turn out actually wasn't dead, there was some
trick involved in that kind of, sort of deliberately shocking, but
not very well plotted. storyline is to keep our attention. So this
is terrible fear, you're going to lose the attention. But actually,
what the neuroscience about storytelling shows us is that good
storytelling involves fulfilling expectations that the listener
has. And so it's not about shocking the listener, it's about
fulfilling the expectations that the listener has for how the story
is going to go. And so we do use these. When we're writing our best
speeches, we use the old storylines, like the quest, you mentioned,
the hero's journey. That's best defined by Joseph Campbell, in his
book, The hero with 1000 faces, in which as an anthropologist, he
went out to many, many cultures, and found that was this common
theme of a quest story where the hero goes out on a journey in
order to reach a goal. And the longer and the more difficult the
journey in the end, the greater the ups and downs, and the harder
the journey is, the better we like it. Because the real purpose of
that journey is to test the resolve of the hero. And that's what
that's what quest stories are really about. And that's still the
most common form of story, we all resonate with them. all cultures
have quest stories. And so they make great speeches, because you
can set a goal in the speech that then the audience wants to join
in on and then suddenly, the audience is all in on that quest with
you, you can make the audience the hero of that journey, which is
far more effective than making yourself to hear the story. And so
there's still lots of reasons to use the power of these ancient
storytelling modes, versions. And, and the point is that even
though we know what the result of a quest is, we still love to hear
that particular quest, because that shape of that story has stood
the test of time it's baked into us. We love it, and we're familiar
with it. And part of the joy of hearing a good story told is that
we have the moment just before the end where we go, yeah, I knew
that was gonna happen. We have that sense of fulfilling
expectations. That's much better than trying to shock your audience
by saying it was all a dream or none of this actually happened or
the other kind of silly plot tricks that that the back to our
example television often uses these days. He used that
James Taylor
example, you know, making the the audience the hero of the journey.
If you think about it, because I made a terrible mistake in early
speech I did, where I'd been getting really into all the Joseph
Campbell stuff. And there's there's been subsequent books on that
type of writing and, and that, you know, theories around that. And
so I want to write a hero's journey Titan speech, and I wrote it
and making myself the hero of the journey, and I delivered it and
it was it was like it was fine and everything wasn't terrible, but
it just didn't really kind of resonate, resonate. And then someone
said to me, Well, you just said to me just there, I said, You've
got it all wrong, you know, you need to make the audience the hero
of the journey. And I went, ah, how did how can we subdominant not
do that. And I had to kind of go back. So as someone that maybe has
heard this, like the hero's journey, how do you make your audience
the hero of a journey? Because that sounds quite complex as well.
And you speak you speak to maybe 1000 people? How can 1000 people
be beat at the hero?
Dr. Nick Morgan
Now the first question you have to ask yourself is, what is the
problem or challenge or fear that the audience has, for which what
I want to talk about is the answer. And so let's say you're an IT
specialists just to pick something out of the air, and you want to
talk about cybersecurity, then you need to start your audience on a
quest to finding cybersecurity by talking about their very natural
and understandable fears of all the ways in which hackers and and,
and state terrorist organizations and all the other bad guys that
we think about out there now can can hack their, their credit cards
online or their accounts online or whatever. And the point is to
get the audience nodding, and thinking, yeah, that is the state of
things today. Oh, it is, it's very scary, it is very uncertain,
we're, we are indeed worried about that. And that preps them, then
for the solution, when you offer it when you're your version of
however, you're going to achieve cybersecurity and that so you're
taking the audience on that journey from fear and an understanding
of what they're going through to ultimately to a goal, which is to
find a clever solution for that problem. And so that at a very
simple level is how you, how do you make the audience the hero of
it, because if you focus on them and their problems, rather than
saying, I've figured out cybersecurity, I'm a genius, let me tell
you the 12 ways to get there, then that's very off putting for an
audience and it doesn't it doesn't enroll them in the in the
journey in a way that is compelling. And one
James Taylor
of the things because you're seeing speakers speak all the time
delivering speeches, and now we're just obviously awash with like
things like Ted Talks, for example. And so many of your clients
have, they come to you because they're giving their first TED talk
or giving a TED talk. And it's, and they want to go on that journey
and really give them give their best time. But I'm wondering, what
are some of those things that really put your hackles up and that
really, with a speaker, you just the common like things that they
end up falling into that you have to really work with them to try
and break out of a, one of those some of those bad habits that we
have as speakers,
Dr. Nick Morgan
the one that infuriates me the most, and there are many, but the
one that infuriates me the most is wasting the opening of a, of a
speech. So at the beginning of a speech, the audience is most eager
to hear from you. And and they're freshest, and they haven't
started to object to you one way or the other. It's all it's all
good at this point. And and they're asking the question of why, why
should I care about this? Why is it important? And and speakers?
instead of answering that question, why that's, that's what you
should do at the beginning is answer that question, why very
clearly and strongly it can be done with a story, it can be done
with something as simple as a factoid or a question. But I prefer
stories, obviously. But what speakers do often instead is they do
one of three things. First, they introduce themselves, they say,
let me tell you about me or my company. And the result, the result
of that is course is you don't answer the question why and frankly,
the audience doesn't care. If especially if you've been introduced,
they certainly don't need to hear any more about you. And so that's
a classic mistake that that speakers make. The second one is they
give an agenda. They say, if I were going to talk to you, in
effect, this is what I would say. So they and I believe people need
agendas, if you're going to talk to them for a whole day if it's a
workshop, but if it's only an hour, we can live without an agenda.
In fact, it'd be nice to have a little element of surprise along
the way. So don't tell us what you're going to say. Because what
happens is if you start saying, okay, here's what I'm going to talk
about. What I've noticed the behavior I've noticed in conferences
is that people go immediately to their mobile phones. And they
think I can get one more text message. And one more email done
before this person actually starts talking, because he or she is
just is just setting things up not actually beginning. And we've
learned to, to wait for the actual start. And then the third thing
is, and the worst. And surprisingly, this is the hardest to get
speakers not to do is to chat. So the urge for speakers to walk out
on stage and say, Oh, it's great to be here. Anybody else here from
Singapore? Oh, I see a few hands. Wonderful. How are things back
there and synched up or Been a while I've been on the road, and
they just they just chatter. And the reason for that is, they're
trying to make themselves feel more comfortable. But they
inevitably defended as a way of making the audience relax and
connecting with the audience. It has nothing to do with that. It's
about making themselves feel more comfortable. But what a waste of
time. Because the your, the audience, again, is at its freshest and
most ready and most eager to hear why am I here? Why is this
important? Why should I get excited, and back to your example of TV
shows that now start in the middle? Because there, they don't want
to waste that opening mental real estate. I always use the example
of James Bond movies. And I hope people all around the world have
seen that great franchise, which has gone on for 50 years or so.
But how does the James Bond movie begin? Back in the in the in the
day when it first started 1963, the first James Bond movie came
out, it was quite a remarkable thing, because most movies in those
days began with the credits. And so you'd get anywhere from five to
seven minutes of just saying who's going to be in the movie, who's
the director, who's the producer, who wrote the music, who's the
cinematographer, on and on and on. And all of that was just set up
for the movie, and you learn quickly that you could go and get
popcorn or a drink or something, because nothing was going to
happen for about seven minutes. Well, James Bond changed all that
by beginning with a car chase, or an explosion, or some exciting
fight or something like that. And then only after you were hooked
with the credits roll. And so if you missed the opening, you missed
the most exciting and most expensive part of the movie, typically
until the very end. So people learned they had to be in at the
beginning. And so I say the same thing to audiences to speakers and
audiences everywhere. Don't waste that opening with credits, just
get right to the the opening story, hook that audience grab them.
And then if you must, if you absolutely must say something about
yourself, do it 510 minutes into the speech and just keep it to an
absolute minimum.
James Taylor
And when you're working with speakers you're working on on the
script, what they're saying the ideas, the stories within it as
well. And, and the crafting of it. Where does the body language
part come in? When do you start working with them on that part? Or
do you end up having to bring in another because I know there's
obviously experts to just deal with body language, especially in
the political scene as well? Are you able to kind of deal with all
of that with a client?
Dr. Nick Morgan
Yes, I always divide it into two. Because what I found is that as
soon as we start talking about body language, then that's all we
can think about. People get self conscious. And they start to worry
about how they're standing and what they're doing with their hands
and what their face looks like all those things. And, and so we
always begin with content. And I like to get the content completed
and everybody feeling very confident and happy with the content.
And then we'll start on the delivery, we call it the choreography
day where we're arranging, how the client is going to walk on
stage, how they're going to stand, where they're going to go, and
what slides of course they're going to use or anything else they
can use video, we've arranged sometimes to have music on stage with
the with the speaker, and all sorts of light shows and all kinds of
interesting things. So all of that comes later once you've got the
content set. And that may come from my background in the acting
world where an actor never walks on stage, unless they know what
the lines are. And they've had a chance to do what he called
blocking, which is to marry the the lines to a specific place and
action on stage. Once you do that, then you can start to make it
real and make it your own. embody it, literally. And so that's such
an extraordinarily important stage in the preparation of a speech
that I feel very strongly that people need to get the content down
first, and then they can start rehearsing it. And I'm always
unhappy when I see a speaker working up to the last minute on on
changing the text and that kind of thing. Because usually it's a
result of nervousness or fear and they're and they think if I just
fix this one phrase, then I'll suddenly won't be nervous anymore.
Well, unfortunately, we all get nervous for speeches, and that
doesn't go away. And so it's the wrong place to put the put the
focus but people do that.
James Taylor
Yeah. What you described is is very, like an alchemy, I mean, some
of the things you just described, you could be in ancient Greece,
watching someone, you know, in terms of, you know, they had table
reads back then or you know how they would have done it, but you
know, blocking and some of those things that that we do now,
obviously, memorization comes into that as well. So as we start to
finish up here, I'm intrigued to know when you're going on working
with with clients, what is in your, your speaker bag, what is in
that bag that you take with you to all your, your engagements, when
you're working with clients, many of the speakers we've had on this
have talked about their clickers and the different things that they
take them to their speaking engagement. But I mean, she guessed it,
someone like yourself actually works for speakers in that way, what
isn't, isn't your speaker bag,
Dr. Nick Morgan
I always have some form of light, small camera, because there's,
there's no better way to learn how a speech went, then, then, of
course, to see yourself on video. The other thing I like to do is
when I have the technology available, is to bring two cameras, one
of which I put on the audience, because the ways in which you learn
the most about a speech actually, is to do something which is a
little hard for a speaker to do in the moment, which is to watch
the audience listening to the speech and seeing how do they react?
When do they start to get engaged? When do they get disengaged? Do
they get bored? Do they start to twitch and look away and do they
surreptitiously go for their mobile phones and that kind of thing.
So you can learn an enormous amount by looking at a video of the
audience. Now, that's not a video that 90% of the world would want
to look at, it gets a bit dull, but, but for somebody like me, it's
absolutely fascinating, fascinating way to learn how that speech is
going over. So those are key. And then of course, I always bring
double extra of everything. So extra clickers, extra copies of the
slides, if they're slides extra everything because you never know
what's gonna go wrong. And the other thing we do is we there are
two key ways in which we always prepare speakers these days. One of
them is always come ready with a short version of your speech. And
it's just the reality in a conference that often the conference is
running late. And so somebody will, will come up to the speaker and
say, can you do the speech in 20 minutes, I'm really sorry, you had
an hour, but the last speaker ran over over running really late.
And thanks to the lunch coming up, we can't, we can't delay too
much, or the food will spoil so and that's unbelievably stressful
if you don't have a 20 minute version prepared. But if you do, you
can smile calmly and say absolutely no problem, I can do that 20
minute version, and off you go. So that's, that's absolutely key is
to have that is to have that short version. And then the other
thing is to have the no technology version. Because even in this
day and age, a projector can fail, sound can go out. And you'd be
surprised how many speakers are completely unable to deliver a
speech without their slide deck. And that's, that's just
extraordinarily important to be able to do that. So it's really
having three versions of the talk one, the standard one with all
the technology, the second one, the talk with zero technology. And
then the third one, the short version. And so that's, that's only
metaphorically in the bag that you're talking about. But that's
that's what I bring to every talk, those things are incredibly
important.
James Taylor
And if we had more time, I would love to go into the virtual This
is the part you're going on to next in terms of virtual
presentations is obviously a huge area as well. And some of the
challenges around that. But what book would you recommend if
someone is interested in this, and we're also gonna have a link to
your site? So it can be one of your books, but if there was another
book, it could be on storytelling, it could be on presentation or
or, or something else you think would be a value to them? What
would that book be? you'd recommend?
Dr. Nick Morgan
Oh, there's so many that I love. Gar Reynolds wrote a classic book
presentations in which is all about creating great slides. So if
anybody has any questions in their minds about how to create good
slides, that's still the best book out there, I believe on the
subject. Robert McKee wrote a wonderful book called story, which
you no doubt heard of, if if any of your listeners and viewers
haven't read that book, and are serious about giving good speeches,
they should read that book. The I'm the one I mentioned earlier,
Joseph Campbell, a hero with 1000 faces really gets into the deep
structure of that particular story, the quest and how it's told and
why it resonates so much with people. And so that's a great book to
get a good understanding of what you're really doing when you're
telling you a quest story. So those are the those are the first
three that comes to mind. Yeah, so I'll stop there.
James Taylor
I mean, these are great. I love I haven't read the presentations
and yet, but so many people have recommended that to me. So that's
going to be on my list. So I can final question for you Nick. I
What do you imagine tomorrow morning, you, you wake up and you have
to start from scratch. So you have all the skills that you've
acquired over the years. But you know, no one, no one knows you,
you have to restart your career and what you do now? How would you
restart? What would you do?
Dr. Nick Morgan
Well, I would start by giving free speeches. And that is the way
everybody has to start who wants to get into this business of
ultimately paid public speaking. And so I would, I would join
Toastmasters because I love that organization. They're, they're
worldwide. They're incredibly supportive of each other the most of
the individual groups that local groups have, have a theme, so find
one that suits you. But that's a great way to get lots of practice.
And really, that's the thing that's most important is if you want
to become a speaker, then you've got to start speaking you and
you've got to practice. And, and you never get enough, you should
always be honing your craft.
James Taylor
And if someone wants to reach out to you, maybe they're working on
their first TED Talk, or they're going to be giving a big new
keynote, and they could really use some some help work on working
with someone, what's the best way for them to connect with you?
Dr. Nick Morgan
Sure, just go to the website, www dot public words.com. And there's
a contact form my email addresses on there, so we're very easy to
reach.
James Taylor
Well, Nick, it's been a pleasure speaking to you today. I hope when
next time you're in the United Kingdom, I hope we get a chance to
meet in London and we'll go to the Globe Theater together. And
we'll go see some great Shakespeare together.
Dr. Nick Morgan
That'd be a great pleasure. Thank you.
James Taylor
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